In your wonderful name,
set her free.No more cyst. Let it go.
Out, out, out, out, out, out…Faith healing is a multi-million
pound international industry.Some people turn
to so-called healerswhen doctors and medicine
can no longer help.Be healed in the name of Jesus!
Set them free right now.I’m off to meet one of them
who’s visiting the UKand claims that God can heal people
of their cerebral palsy.Set her free now, now, now.Every condition,
I command pain to go!John Mellor is a healing Evangelistwho believe God’s power travels
through himto heal in the name of Jesus.John has reached great fame
in his home country,in the press and national news.How do you explain it?
Doctors said he’d never walk,talk or feed himself but after
this healer laid hands upon him,he can do all three.He claims his abilities came to him
after he prayed and fastedfor ten days and nights
in the Australian outback.That God would reach out to people
and heal them, be that physically,mentally or spiritually.Let him go, right now.You’ve got brand-new knees.
Brand-new knees.Do a number on him, Jesus.I was born with cerebral palsy
and I’ve been a wheelchair usersince I was nine.I’m really proud of my identity
as a disabled personand all of my work is around
disability and access and inclusion,but there are things that I would
really like to changeand I would like to be different.My foot is really, really turned
and quite painful.I get really bad scar tissue pain
and, of course,I’d love to get up and walk
for a week, or a dayor whatever it may be.JOHN MELLOR:There’s something
terribly wrong with the world.Sin came into the world
when man turned against God.There is wars, disease, sickness,but I always find that
in the middle of the problem,God gives an answer.When doctors say you’ll never walk,
or you’ll never hear,you’ll never speak or
you can never have childrenand all of a sudden…the impossible takes place.
To me, that’s a miracle.INTERVIEWER:But do you think
you could heal Emily, or…?OK, for a start,
John Mellor can’t heal anybody.But Jesus can.And I never guarantee anything.The evening before
the healing session,I decided to prepare by watching
some of John’s online videos.There’s 3,000 plus miracles
on his YouTube channel.I’ve watched this one
a few times, actually.This seems to be the first one
that comes upif you Google
“John Mellor wheelchair”so, of course, it was the one
that took my interest the most!In the name of Jesus,
deliver this woman right now.Set her free.Free. Get your foot up, foot up,
foot up, foot up, foot up,foot up, foot up, foot up.APPLAUSEIn the name of Jesus.Whoa.
APPLAUSE AND CHEERINGHe’s very, very entertainingand then from then,
really, everyone gets excited,everyone gets hyped up and that
person, if they feel able to,get up and tries to walk
if they’re in a wheelchair.And I have to say,I’ve not seen one where
they’re not able to do that yet.We can do this, mate!APPLAUSECome on, mate!I said, give me five!There is the possibility
of giving donationsand that’s quite actively
encouraged on John’s website,something that’s quite concerningwhen there are people returning
again and again to be healedbut have seen
no substantial improvement.To find out more,
we spoke with Andy Lewis,a science writer and
alternative medicine critic.There are extraordinary claims being
made and as has been said many timesextraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidenceand as far as I’m aware,
there’s no evidence at allthat there’s any long-term impact
from such practices.I always told people,
“Don’t give up. Keep coming.”And so they came
to the second meeting,wasn’t much change.When people come and they start
to see God heal people,their heart rises up.
They say, “Do you know what?“If God can heal that person,
maybe God can heal me.”‘The next morning,
I arrived at the church‘wondering what John
had in store for me.’Hi.Hi, how are you doing?Welcome.
Good to see you.Likewise.This is going to be a fantastic day.
Absolutely. Thank you.It’s going to be wonderful.
It’s so good to have you here.Thank you so much. Good to be here.
Hello, how are you doing?Welcome.Good to see you.You too.It’s just about to start.
Good morning…We’re just doing the welcome and
I think there’s going to be music.# Lifting up the name of
the God of all creation# The only who’s worthy of adulation# Yeah# Great is your name# And all the Earth
in creation cry out# Great is your name
Great is your name! #Now, it’s a great privilege
and a real honour to welcomeJohn and Julie Mellor.Let’s give them a great welcome
this morning.It’s just a wonderful day
for miraclesand the Bible says that Jesus
is the same yesterday,today and forever.Today, you will see the power of God
flowing into sick bodies,into sick minds,
and set people free.In your name, Jesus!I command, infirmity,
go in Jesus’s name!Pain, go in Jesus’ name!Cancer pain.I decree healing right now
for cerebral palsy.Every condition, I command this
to leave in the name of Jesus.Be healed!‘In front of an audience
of 500 people,‘John attempted to
perform so-called miracles‘for those who had travelled
far and wide‘with a variation of conditions.’All of it! Sjogren’s disease,
pain, arthritis,off these hips, off this body now.And heal her emotions too, God.I think a true miracle is when
something happens that transcendsour sense of physical
reality, really.That has no rational explanation.Jesus, I declare a miracle.Free!Miracles demand close scrutiny.Come on! There is power
in that name of Jesus.How are you feeling, mate?Amazing!Wow.‘John’s showmanship was electric‘and it almost felt like
the power of Jesus‘had entered the whole church.’Timber!
APPLAUSERight now…HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGEWhat’s happening to you, mate?It feels like I’m on coke.
It’s crazy.Things don’t get better with coke.But there’s actually… There’s
actually, there’s a lady here.Man, in your stomach, it’s like
there’s bloating and tender.Just come round here.‘I’m reminded of mind readers,
if you like.’And you get migraines. And right
now, you’ve got a real terrible,terrible headache.They’re saying things that
almost certainly will resonatewith some people in the audience.Your head’s just throbbing,
where are you?Is that you?
‘And when someone comes forward,’it looks like a miracle.Just come out here.‘There’s a set of rules
and expectations’about what the crowd
are expecting from him,almost like a pantomime, really.OK, bend down, bend down.How’s that?Amazing.Sir, how long’s it been
since you could do that?He will emphasise the hits he getsand deemphasise the misses
as if they didn’t really happen.Bend down and touch your toes.How’s that?It’s actually
not feeling…No pain?No. It’s amazing, really.If your expectations are
that you’re going to feel betterin a certain situation,and there’s a lot of theatre
in such an environmentand that theatre adds
to the sense of occasion,then people do feel better
in the moment.How’s that feeling?
The pain on my left is gone.Give her a hand, everybody.An hour later, the next day,
it’s very questionable thatthey’re going to still sustain that.‘Soon enough, my time
had come to be healed.’God bless you, Emily.
Church, can we reach out for Emily?Come on! There’s power in that name.Power in that wonderful
name of Jesus.God, begin to straighten
this leg right now.Touch your ligaments and tendons.Free, free, free!Free, free!Jesus, touch Emily right now.God, I command right now,
come get cerebral palsy.Touch her brain right now.
I command pain to go right now.Set her free in the name of Jesus!God, touch her right now.Thank you, Jesus.Er… This is
what…No, OK.Jesus, more.All pain to go.
Strengthen, strengthen, strengthen.Strengthen! Release.Life…They’re going to
straighten this body right now.No more pain.
Thank you, Jesus.Thank you, Jesus.Can you feel any pain or discomfort?Erm, I’m starting to feel
a little bit tiredbecause I’m taking
lots of weight on my arms.OK. Can you feel pain though?Not in my legs, because these guys
are taking it all for me!OK, what I’m trying to say, would it
be normally painful to do this?Er, yes.
But you don’t feel it is now.Not at the moment, no.Give the Lord a hand.Thank you, Jesus.Sit. Sit her down, sit her down.Now, this is really important.Thank you.We see some people in
wheelchairs walk instantly. Bang!Other times, it’s a process.
So, how are you feeling now?I don’t think there’s any change
yet, but I’m willing to keep going.But you were up without pain.Yes.In your legs.So, normally, how bad with
the pain be like that before?It takes time for the pain
to kind of get into my legs,so it’s almost that waiting
for the pain to developwith just standing for too long.Give Emily a hand here.
What a good sport.God bless you, Emily.Thanks.Clear the deck, fellas.Clear the deck.To be honest, I wasn’t surprised
that it hadn’t worked,but it was interesting to see that
John made such a celebrationof the fact that the pain
that wasn’t there to begin withhad apparently gone away.‘I don’t personally believe that
people are crooks and charlatans,’I think they believe
in what they do.They might get carried away
with their own…beliefs and experience,
what’s happening around themand if they’re doing anything wrong,I think it’s probably perhaps
they’re not being circumspect enoughabout their own capabilities.What do you say to people that say
healing and what you do is fake?Well, what I ask them to do is talk
to people who’ve been healed.Pretty simple. Just talk to them.When I pray, the power of God
is so strong,people will feel strange sensations.Sometimes they feel heat,
they feel tingling,they feel cold sensations.
Some people feel nothing.I don’t fully understand all of it.How are you feeling?
Move your back.That’s how it is.
Sometimes, it’s spontaneous.I just go… It’s crazy.Give her more, Jesus.There’s something else
getting involved here,and it’s God, it’s Jesus.Give her more, Jesus.‘There are some people
who make their whole…’whole life out of deceiving people.They charge large amounts of money
and they have big promisesand what we offer is free.
No-one has to pay anything.No-one has to give a cent
and I’ll pray for themas long as they want me
to pray for them.I spoke to other people
about their healing experiences.Usually, I can’t stand,but I walked in and I’ve stood at
the back and…I ain’t sat down.I felt God touching me.And I felt like heat over my body.John prayed for me and he broke the
power of witchcraft of my life.It’s the last hope, so we believe
that there will be a miracle herein England.How many meetings have you been to?
With John, probably about a dozen.OK.And every time, I’ve seen
so many amazing things.Do I believe every single one?I’m not sure I do,but I’ve seen and
I’ve spoken to peoplewho have been
healed of all sorts of things.Wow.Quite amazing.And what’s happened
to you specifically? Anything?Have you seen any change?
None at this point.OK.But I’m still fully believing
I’m going to be well.I will not die, I’ll live and
declare the works of the Lord.Amen.Andy’s got motor neurone diseaseand he’s absolutely desperate
to have more timewith his wife and his children.
Absolutely desperate.And this visiting John Mellor
a dozen timesis his way of trying to
kind of calm that desperationby taking action and
by doing something about it.But it’s when that faith,the healing and the physicality
of stuff come into playthat I’m still really not sure
where I’m at with it.And whether or not it’s complete
and utter bullshit,to be perfectly honest with you.I feel like I’ve got to
say that very quietly,cos we’re still here!After the session,I couldn’t stop thinking about how
much of a performance it all was.Pain is very subjective, isn’t it?So for him to then put you under
and say, “Do you feel better?”And then you say, “Yes,
all my pain’s gone.”I do think that there
is a little bit of a gameand a little bit of a performance
that people playif they’re really that desperate and
they really want to be healed.Tomorrow is my opportunity
to sit down with John,just the two of us
and to basically have it out.I want him to persuade me
and I want him to prove me wrong.Whether he does or not
is another question entirely.Roll cameras.How are you?Hi, it’s great
to see you again.Good to see you again.
Great.Have a seat, please.Thank you. Thank you very much.Is there anything
that I’m doing wrong?No.In fact, what I always tell people,
if you come again, I keep praying.Is it possible to not
want to be healed enoughand therefore it doesn’t
happen?Yes, true.That can happen?That’s true.Because I’ve met people
who said that to me.I met a guy called Andy
who has motor neurone disease,so he’s kind of followed you
all over the place.Yeah.He said to me that, you know,
as of yet, nothing’s happened.Well, for a start,
I can’t get my head around it.I wish I saw every single person
healed.I wish I could see everything
perfect, but I don’t.Is there a moment where you think
it’s almost more appropriate to sayto somebody like Andy, “Go home,“spend time with your wife
and your kids,“spend those final months
that you have“because you’ve been to 12
meetings and it’s not happening”?I don’t know.
To me, it’s up to the person.And the thing is, nobody knows.
I mean, I don’t know.But if I could encourage them,because some people
don’t have any hope,and to me, it’s worked for
the ones who did get touchedand that’s something
they’ve got to make up.At the beginning of
the meeting yesterday,and I guess you do this
at most of your meetings…..you kind of were saying,“Oh, there’s somebody here
that’s got a horrendous headache,“there’s somebody here that’s
got a problem with their womb,“there’s somebody here that has got
really, really bad stomach pain,”and, you know,
“I’ve been told to help them.”Many times, I feel like
I’m a third person.It’s like I don’t try
and process things.I just pray…and things happen.
Obviously, obviously,I’ve read your materialand I’ve looked a lot
on your YouTube channeland your Facebook pages
and things like thatand I cannot find one
negative comment. Not one.So how much do you modify the…I don’t modify anything.
..the response you get?Nothing.Oh, I mean, you know,occasionally someone puts some silly
thing on your Facebook, but…See, I mean, people put stuff on our
blog, you can’t control that.It goes… You know, you can’t
control a lot of stuffthat goes out.You can delete people
that comment on your YouTube videos.You can delete their comments.
Oh, you can, you can.You can, you can. You can.We actually don’t get that
many comments on our YouTube.You know, some people judge
me because they haven’t…You know… You know,
“You’re after the money,“you’re trying to rip people off,“you’re taking
an old lady’s pension.”People have got strange ideas.I never set out to do this.
I never planned this.It just happened. All of a sudden,I found myself in newspapers
doing stories,reporters coming
and TV cameras comingand I wasn’t too sure how to handle
the media.I really like you.I like you too.
But I can equally understandhow people would look at the
situation and they’ll say,“Man, he’s preying on some
pretty vulnerable people there“and there’s people who are
getting disability allowance“and they’re spending all
their money to go and see him“and they’re not seeing
any results.”Even watching those YouTube videos,
all 5,000 of them,it still doesn’t give a viewer
any hard evidence.It’s very, very difficult
to actually say,“This guy’s totally legit.”I think what you’re saying is
fair enough because really,we shouldn’t always
just look at everythingand take it on face value all the
time. That’s why I tell people,“Come and have a look.
See for yourself.“Make up your mind,”
and that’s how it is.And I’ve been on the other side.And I can fully understand
where people are coming from.And how did you feel about it?
I thought it was a rip-off.One thing that I guess put me off
before I met youwas the terminology that you use.Words like crippled…Yeah, I
realise that...and suffers fromand wheelchair-bound.I almost felt like I couldn’t be
proud of my disabled identityand come and see you.First of all, Emily, I want to
apologise for that because…I’m still learning and I…You’re the first person
who’s told me thatand so I will change that.
Thank you.I really will.Thank you.Julie… Julie, it’s OK.Wheelchair user.
Wheelchair user.Just a lot of the interview…
Julie…No, no…It’s been a week since the healing
session and a time for reflection.I’m off to meet Andy to find out
more about his situationand why he turned to John.I guess the background,
married to Jane, three boys.About three years ago, you know,there were some issues
with my movementand I went ultimately
to the neurologistand then he diagnosed me
with motor neurone disease.I said, “How long do you have?”Because there is no cure
at this point.And he said, “80% of people
have less than two years.”Why…why John?You know, “Was it real?”
was my question.Was it underpinned by the Bible,
was it some weirdo?And, you know, I think it’s easy
to say a charlatanor he’s this or that, but, you know,I think they do it because
of genuine reasonsand I’ve seen with my own eyes,
the impact it can have.Has anything changed since then?I don’t know is my honest answer.I…I feel after that meeting
more positive,but I’m not running around.You know, a lot of people look at
life and think about the endand think about a hopeless end
and the way I’m looking at it isI’ve got an endless hope.You think…you’re indestructible and you think
you’ve got a clear path through lifeand then it is
radically interrupted.I think the hardest thing for me is
thinking if the healing doesn’t comeand then what?And that’s going to be tough.But life without my best friend…would be rubbish, really.If.IF the healing doesn’t come.But we… Yeah.Can I have a drink of water?I will not die.Just yet.The doctors are saying,
“No, sorry, we can’t help you,“there’s no cure yet.
You’re doing really, really well,“you’ve lasted longer
than we thought you would.“Go home and enjoy your time.”What are his other options?
He has none.He has no other option.And I guess that’s really hardbecause I keep hearing of all of
these, like, amazing miraclesthat are happening
and all these peoplewith these horrendous illnessesthat are getting healed
and all we saw waspeople with sprained ankles
and headachesand frozen shoulders feeling better.I don’t even go there
in my thoughts.I don’t even think about it.I can’t afford to.
I’ve got one track.That’s to encourage
people and love them.I never know that
something’s going to happen.I don’t know. I don’t know.